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From: not-2-disclose@the.net
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit, more incapabalities
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:36:06 GMT
Organization: Sympatico
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
Hi Charles,
CA> I feel that I owe you an apology. I suggested that we might find
CA> information here to enhance our enjoyment of MSKermit as it can be
CA> done with `legacy' hardware by accessing this newsgroup.
That's all right Charles. :-) Only fools would believe they can't make
a mistake... it's just that the wrong set of people thought they had to
address us, in place of the real `MS-Kermit v3.16 Beta' team... My true
disapointment is that we seen very little of the `MS-Kermit v3.16 Beta'
team so far! :-( The fault isn't yours at all, it's theirs... >:-7
CA> Obviously I could not have made a worse choice if I had been on
CA> medication at the time.
It's a chance you weren't - there's enough people on medication already!
(Like this soldier from the heaven who just jumped in - in his very own
style - and who now wants to be the one who will end the hostilities)...
%->
CA> I had forgotten how cloistered an environment these people live in
CA> that prevents them from interacting with real people in the real
CA> world.
Ha! Talk about preconceptions - i had my own hopes!... 8-o Me who was
under the impression that i'd get "rational" answers!!! Instead, what i
got was a quick attempt that was supposed to intimidate me, then make me
feel guilty: big things/tiny program, memory restrictions, you want it
you do it, money & work, donate/contribute, worthy audience, spoofing...
and, of course, this is THE ONE and ONLY ONE so-called `Kermit' project!
Boy, it's the same classical technique we encounter in every day on-line
customer-assistance "service": you think it can help until you try it!
CA> These two have had little or nothing to do with the DOS MSK program
CA> and probably never actually read the code. If they _did_ read it...
Yeah. You introduce yourself politely... pose a few questions around &
include everything they might need, before they ask... then, a dance of
self-justifications begins!... Moreover, i can't see where i wrote that
i was only talking to *them* instead of any reader of this ~NG~, present
and future... What would make those people from the `Win 9x' task force
believe they're so important i'm forced to address them?!? Go figure!!!
CA> Truth is if you notice what they have said... They never actually
CA> wrote anything but the `glue' to patch other peoples work...
Glue?! Then it puts them at the same level as my own all right! P-D )'
The difference is that i would never try to put my name where it doesn't
belong! My "GlueWare" is free for all to try (i.e. use it if it suits)!
P-)
Euh... Frankly, i don't really care how much of their fame they owned,
it's the despicable way in which they insisted to agitate such trophees
under my nose that i find too irritating for my taste. It's like saying
"dady is big, listen to dady!"... It looks and feels bad and it doesn't
open the way to discussions nor does it, taken alone, add to the topic.
CA> One of the `perks' of being an employee of a University is the
CA> ability to assign projects to young people and then steal the
CA> results and put your name on it. I have been informed by another
CA> professor that there really is no `team' here.
Yeah, when i step back and return to the hole series of correspondance i
begin to view this with some new insight as i go on with such reading...
Interresting theory, it would explain why my mention about PUBLIC DOMAIN
`ZmoDem' programs would find *NO ECHO AT ALL* on their side, euh... But
who cares! That's not the right side anyway!: they're `Win 9x' people!
Remember?!... ;-> Euh... But i wonder, would they dare to reclaim the
rights on a "donated" `MS-DOS Kermit' `ZmoDem' add-on, eventually?! 8-o
CA> MSK is and was developed by Joe D. at Utah... Joe I feel somewhat
CA> differently about. I can't fault a man who is protective of his
CA> creation and wants it to be viewed in the best possible way.
Sure! When you consider that `MS-Kermit v3.16 Beta' will run happily on
a PC that's more than fifteen years old and to a point that it will make
those blunt `Windows' users blush of envy as you relate to them the kind
of D/L rate one gets on a mid-range "legacy" PC, euh... I have no doubt
pr. J. Doupnik _does_ have every reason to be proud! Like you've wrote,
it was once believed that a big enough engine will make anything fly and
`Win 9x' users have the same credo - just the opposite of what i praise!
Moreover, that kind of "consumer profile" that we can observe in so many
`Win' users makes me wonder: `MS-Kermit' has got quite an extended life
span already... i'd be currious to see what the `Win 9x Kermit' version
will look like in that many years! Maybe, the holly powers who preside
in the `Win 9x Kermit' "team" aren't going to get a piece of eternity
which shall last for that long at all! ;-> I bet they won't!
CA> Joe has had many years of this. It must be tiring...
I guess that's the best explanation i seen so far as to why he would be
so discreet. Now that the others got the best of me - to the point that
i loose my temper - i fear J. Doupnik may believe i'm the same breed of
monster!... %-)
So much for an ~NG~ which, i supposed, was there to ease contacts! :-(
MS> Condescendance is one of the words i read and which sounds, ho but
MS> sounds so right when i read them...
CA> It would be interesting to see what would happen if these two were
CA> stranded somewhere in the real world and made the mistake of talking
CA> to the local residents. I suspect they stay on campus and brow beat
CA> other peoples children where it's safe.
Ha! Ha! :-)
If that would be a crowd populated with persons who are less "moderate"
than i usually try to be, i bet they'd have to seek refuge in a church!
;->
MS> My deapest regrets to the other users but people ARE NOT playtoys!
CA> I had hoped there were other normal people here with an interest in
CA> MSK but it seems we are alone in this.
As i wrote, this place has got the best of us already and i'm not one to
become impatient so easily... Only, it's most depressing to find myself
having such _poor_ conversations with guys who stand where i thought one
should expect to encounter some of the noticeable brains ot the planet!
Euh... But it gets me back to the history of the cow... A cow standing
right there where they can put their feet would still be a cow!... %-7
Hummm... I almost feel guilty for being so hard on them - or am i? :-o
[...]
CA> Under other circumstances I would not have made this mistake.
CA> Mr. Shapiro and Mr. Dold and others have been very patient...
Believe this: me neither, me neither! %-7 I can regret that i had so
little time for focusing my attention right on target but what's done is
done... Speaking of which, have you seen any mention of the source-code
for `MS-DOS Kermit v3.16 Beta'? Because, i sure did not notice!... 8-o
Is `MS-Kermit' supposed to have died on September 1997 or what???
CA> There is someone at Columbia that these little men must answer to
CA> whose job is to make them behave and when I determine who that
CA> person is I will email him or her with my observations regarding
CA> their lack of interest and bad manners.
I'd have about the same observations to send him/her, that's for sure...
CA> I don't think Columbia University needs people like this in a public
CA> forum and I don't think Columbia would disagree.
My feeling as well. In any event, any reader which wants to have a full
overview of what happened here recently only needs to go to one of those
~NG~ archive sites where they keep postings for many years. Anyone with
a brain and some spare time can browse thru it all and have his very own
conclusions - and i certainly have no hesitation when it comes to stand
by my past and future writings - no problem... :-) They can delete to
their heart's content but it won't change anything. >:-) Those who are
browsing the ~WEB~ in text-mode using `Lynx' can even gather a ~UseNet~
version of all that's been posted here on www.dejanews.com, meaning that
one should also be able to retrieve past listings in original format...
Why the hell do they think i tried to make my posts the way they are?!?
Certainly not for the `Win' team but the `MS-Kermit' users themselves!
;-)
[...]
Your posts are a warming support to me, Charles! ;-) Thanks a lot. :)
Soon, i'll try to peek at what i missed lately, when the dust settles...
Best salutations,
Michel Samson
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* Peculiar bucolic scene: a cow comes to a stop, takes a break... *
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* eyes and then... and then pinch your nose and run for your life! *
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* A thought inspired by Columbia's University `Kermit-95' task force. *
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